Okay, this is too tiny a development to be indicative of anything relevant to our time discussion, but still. It’s interesting. I can at least imagine that we will, in the extension of said development, see the phenomenon of frontier consciousness with greater clarity.

Have you seen Blackmore’s TED video? I think you’ll like it very much. (I’d very much like your comments on it.)

Your frequency theory doesn’t make intuitive sense to me, but I’m not one to let my common sense have the last word! I’ll suspend judgement until I’ve inquired deeper into the subject.

One thing it made me think about though: Do you think it’s possible to view the development of time from the perspective of the frontier frequency? To explain by illustration: From the point of view of nature (which, I guess, is confined to the first couple of time frequencies), history accelerates, while from the point of view of consciousness (which, perhaps, is about the highest frequencies, the frontier frequency), time seems to decelerate? In other words, do you think it is possible that the singularity will be experienced in such a way that cosmic time seems to slow down, almost to a halt? Like it’s a “point of eternity”…

I completely understand your sceptisism towards fatalism. That was my first negative reaction also when when I first came over these time-scemes last summer. I also had a problem with the concept of singularity. What drew me to investigate this information further however, was that having studied evolution, I quickly recognized that the calendrical phases and underworlds were in accordance with modern science’s datings for evolutionary periods. I then checked up the more resent underworlds against world history, and the correlations were obvious. How could this be? I was totally overwhelmed.

When I tried telling people this, I took myself in sounding like a dooms-day prophet, which is the last thing I want to be. However, a part of me knew that this was a distortion, but my intellect could not grasp it in any other way. As winter came I went on to other topics, but still very much kept an eye on the calendar.

The reason I’m telling you this is that I had a major eureka-experience a couple of days ago. All the knots are comming loose, as if my subconscious has been working on the problem since I left it. To put it simply, my realization is this: The nine underworlds are bands of frequency! They are not really past and future, all of them exists right now, but from the viewpoint of one particular band, or dimension of time-space, all the lower frequencies appear as “past” and the higher ones as “future”. Neither is any dimension actually “slow” or “fast”, but from the viewpoint of one frenquentioal present, the future seems fast, and the past slow. Now, the reason for the notion of accelleration is because we are currently moving from one band to the next. Another thing I realized was that we are not actually totally moving into the 8th band in only thirteen years and then the 9th in only 260 days. These are simply just the “turnover periods” of these frequencies. However, we are moving into the 8th band, but this will take as long as it takes, untill we get tired of exploring it, maybe thousands of years, and then we’ll move into the 9th, which is the border of our entire system. At that point I think we’ll be a unified star-mind on the very edge of physicality, and thus time itself, but that’s just speculation.

When that is said, I just wan’t to add that I have just moved, and since i don’t have internet at my new place yet, i won’t be able to comment so often. I also want to say that I know that this is a demanding topic, and if you are deep into your own projects, you don’t need to comment. I need another year to understand this properly anyway :)

If I got that right, I have a problem for you: Some kinds of novelty, like computer technology, is like fertile soil of entirely new realms of novelty. If we instead of computer tech had chosen some other, less fertile kind of novelty, we would sure be hard pressed to up the tempo of novelty like we have, in accordance with novelty theory!

The only solution I can think of to resolve this, is that not only the quota of novelty is fixed by novelty theory, but also the fertility of novelty. Now, this seems to approach fatalism to some small degree, in my view. What do you think?

I’d love to comment on your other thoughts as well, but I have to go now, so I’ll do it later.

What I don’t understand about the mayan calendar, is why on earth would the exponential development of the world happen in such an orderly manner, so that we can predict, down to exact dates, what is going to happen when. That doesn’t jibe well with me. This is not to say that I’m any strong believer in free will, but fatalism? Here’s an aversion I won’t let go of easily.

I guess the case rests on the quality of the claims of the calendar. Does it predict with great accuracy, or is its perceived accuracy a projection, like with tarot readings.

Now, even if I conclude that it’s not very scientific, this would not mean that it is declared devoid of value. The reasons why is a long story for another time.

Great to hear that the information was of interest! Sounds like you had some kind of a Eureka experience with exponential time! it IS in a way pretty obvious, but at the same time totally mind boggeling. The way I see it, just to make it real simple, is that time has an aspect of linearity, circularity and exponentiality, and that a good model of time should incorporate all of these. In addition to these, the mayan system also works with two more aspects, which we might call “inwardness” and “outwardness”, represented by dark and light, or night and day.

When it comes to the periods, each cycle has thirteen of them. I think the number 13 is the algebraic expression of the geometric spiral, both depicting transformation. There are seven light periods intersected by six dark. The light ones are called seeding, germination, sprouting, proliferation, budding, flowering, and fruition. This system for modeling growth or development is called trecena.

Then about the inquery of how the Maya came up with all of this. This is just speculation of course, but I think they actually had a really advanced science back then, but that it was so different from ours that we can bearly conceive of it. I’ll write more on my thoughts on this tomorrow. It’s a really interesting question.

I don’t really know of any good links on this material on the net. Callemans book are the best source of information, as mentioned. I have actually thought of making a little site myself though, and a couple of days ago I discovered a way to make webpages real easy, so I actually started working on it yesterday. The world needs this information!

About religion: I didn’t mean that it is over per se, but that the old ones are in serious crisis. Many of the old terms and symbols have picked som much dogmatic waste over the millenia that they have become a hazard to the psyche.

Have a great vacation!

And what a voluminous comment you’ve left! I’m on vacation, so I don’t have the opportunity to respond properly, but I’ll make some brief comments, and come back to ask some more detailed questions later.

First of all, your much appreciated explanation made me think about the general claim of exponential time, as opposed to linear and circular. It seems in fact to be obviously correct! Yet, I have managed to avoid the subject… It’s about time I start grappling with singularitarian concepts, and the mayan calendar looks to be a great place to start.

I’d like to get a detailed understanding of the scientific basis of the claim that the mayans in fact conceived of time as exponential.

Also, I’d like to study the correlation of the periods (seeding, midpoint, flowering, fruition), to map out the strengths and weaknesses of the mayans’ conceptual framework.

I’ll be back at my workdesk in about a week. Then, I’ll have plenty of time on my hands. Could you please recommend a couple of specific papers for me to read, to get a better understanding of the subject? I’d very much like to read texts of your own as well, if you don’t mind sharing. Link to it here if you’d like, or send me an email.

To your second comment: The term “the age of revelation” seems reasonable to me. And I disagree with you that the religious era is over (but i suspect that’s a superficial disagreement: one of definition).

As I said, I’ll come back with more later.

Great to hear from you again, Henrik.

I just have a little comment on my own comment. I hope it wasn’t a total informational overload. I guess I’ve just been daming it up, so when I release the plug, it just bursts.

Anyway, I just wan’t to correct the term i used for the underworld we are currently in: Number 8. I called it “the age of revelation”, which I instently regretted after submitting. First of all, it can’t be called an “age” when it only lasts for 13 years, and second, the world “revelation” is loaded with religious conotations, and the religious era is OVER, as we all know. The term almost made me feel sick. Calleman calles it the Galactic underworld, but that doesn’t really say too much either. I guess it will be easyer to give this period a name in retrospect, when we have a better understanding of what is happening. I think our old belief systems are braking down and being replaced by new ones in preparation for the singularity.

This post for instance, is an impulse for revisioning our concepts of timekeeping, which I think is healthy. I don’t think we should impose a too strict of a scheeme on time-reality, though, but rather view it as a landscape to be explored, and give it names, rather than just coordinates. What if we said, instead of “I’m going to New york”, “I’m going to 40*45′37N - 73*59′10 W? It would be a rape to our imaginitive powers. Yet, a system of coordinates is handy. In that case i think we should base the decimal time keeping on the rotations of the Earth, rather than the orbits of the Sun. The Maya had two separat calendars: A seasonal one called the haab based on years, and a holy one based on days in units of 360 and 260. These units were not just made up, but were found to be significant by the shamans who explored the gridwork of reality using psychotropic substances.

Long time no see! I have been checking out your blog every once in a while and I must say that it is getting very interesting! So much so that I think I have to throw myself into the discussions at this point. I’m very interested in the Mayan calendar and did a lot of research on it last summer. Now, the way I see it, the mayan calendar is not really about astronomical cycles at all, though there might be a correlation. This was actually a projection of western astrology onto the mayan time science. All that was basically known about the mayan calendar at the time it was popularized fifteen years ago was that it was mysteriously comming to an end around 2012, and all the rest was “filled in” using western astrology. Now, it wasn’t until the late nineties that the intricasies of the calendar, or time-matrix, was actually understood (mainly by the sweedish researcher Carl Johan Calleman), by studying the calendar glyphs that exist all over Meso-America. The calendar is indeed exponential! Rather than a straight line, time is depicted more like a spiral, building upon itself in tighter and tighter curves that eventionally reach a point of singularity, just like Terrence’s time wave zero. But the end date is actually slightly different: 28. October 2011. I think this is the reason that this infirmation hasn’t reached out to the general public, because the 2012 date was already so ingrained that people felt unconfortable about having it challenged. but who knows, maybe both dates holds some kind of significance.

When I discovered this information last summer, I got totally obsessed with it, and the reason for this is that there is an almost scary coherrence between the time frames depicted in the calendar and the dating of events in the natural evolution and human history that modern science has provided for us. Let me just briefly describe what I mean (I could actually write for days about this).

The calendar is divided into 9 underworlds, or 9 turns of the spiral if you will. Each turn proceeds within a time frame that is twenty times shorter than the one preceeding it. (The increase of complexity increase the number of novel events with twenty fold for each cycle).

The first underworld begins 16.4 billion years ago. Not too far from what science currently hold as the date of the big bang at 15 bill. This is what they called the seeding of the cycle. The fruition of it was the development of eucaryotic cells. The next underworld begins 820 million years ago with the development of multicellular life (primitive clusters). The midpoint of this cycle sees the development of land animals, the flowering is the dinosaurs and the fruit placental mammals.The third underworld is the age of the primates, beginning 41 million years ago with monkeys, seeing the development of apes (no tail) at the mid point, bipedalism as the flower while the fruit was Lucy; a human looking creature with an apesized brain. The fourth underworld is the age of the hominids, beginning 2 million years ago, the time frame science calles “the cranial explosion”. It is seeded with the Homo habiles and Homo erectus. At the midpoint a more advanced homo erectus spreads all over Africa, Europe and Asia. The flower is big brained hominids like the neanderthals, and the fruit is the first hominids with modern looking features, discovered in Israel. The fifth underworld is all about Homo Sapiens, beginning 102 000 years ago. Since this time there has been no structural change in the human body, so i guess a final form was decided upon. At the midpoint of this cycle, which is also the midpoint of the entire calendar, modern humans spreads to all over the old world at the exspence of the old hominid forms. The first solid evidence of religious activity and art is also from this period. The most famous cave paintings however, is from ther flower phase, while the fruition sees the development of agriculture and urbanism. The sixth underworld is what we call history, beginning 3115 bc, which was the time of the formation of the first Egyptian dynasty. The exact midpoint of this cycle, 552 bc, was the time of Buddha, Confucius, Zoroaster, Pythagoras, Loa tzu and Mahavira, followed by the rise of Rome and the completion of the I Ching and the Mayan calender. This cycle is too divers for easy summation, but the fruition phase, beginning in 1617, was the age of enlightenment. The 7th underworld began in 1755 with the seven year war, settling colonial issues and setting the stage for globalization. The steem engine and Immanuel Kant can also be considered as “seeds” in this cycle. The midpoint sees the development of telephone, lightbulb, power station, monoplane, subways and radiowaves. The flowering phase from 1952-1972 is the time of television, pop culture, transistor computer and flower children. The fruition, beginning in 1991, well, the internet. The 8th underwotrld began in january, 1999 and is the age of revelation, where humanity is getting ready for the next level, with increased intuitive abilities and so forth. We are currently resonating with WW2, the fall of the roman empire, the extinction of the neanderthals and the mass extinction of the triasic (90%). Its a pretty dark period, but the flower phase of this cycle will begin in november of this year! All of the ninth underworld will unfold during 2011, lasting only 260 days, so bucle up!

This was a brief summary of the calendar. It is actually much more detailed, with a mathematical presison that is amazing. And all of the dates is to be found, carved in stone, in Mexico. (If those of you who are wondering why it came out so late: The mayan glyphs wasn’t desiphered until the 50’s, but why forty years? Maybe it wasn’t supposed to be revield until the age of revelation, which is now?) Check out Carl johan Calleman for more info, or write me an e-mail and i’ll send you some stuff I’ve written on this.

And Gorm: I really liked your last post about becomming a platonist. It’s exactly those things we are discovering during this underworld: How we are creating our own (and our collective) reality. Those insights are extremely hard to put into words, so I really appreciate your formulations. I also liked that distinction about mathematical and mythological reality-modeling. no suprise that I’m focused on the latter. I guess precision is my weakness :)

Snakkes.

Hilsen Henrik

PS: The formula for the time frames is 13×( 360 days ×〖20〗^((8-x) ) ) where x is the number of the underworld. Each underworld is divided into 13 phases that are alternating between light and dark (7 days and 6 nights is the same as in the biblical creation myth) remember that all 9 underworlds end at the same time! And the last one differs a bir from the formula as it lasts in 260 days (to complicated to explain why) Enjoy!